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	<title>Comments on: Is no parking in Green Lake a deal killer?</title>
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		<title>By: The Internaut &#187; Why We Donâ€™t Need a Parking Maximum</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Internaut &#187; Why We Donâ€™t Need a Parking Maximum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s not hard to find evidence of developers looking to earn the housing dollars of car-free urban buyers such as myself: Moda here and The Civic in Portland, for example, build units with the express purpose of offering them at lower cost, without parking attached. Other developers, wondering where this sort of development can fly, are putting the question to the public. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s not hard to find evidence of developers looking to earn the housing dollars of car-free urban buyers such as myself: Moda here and The Civic in Portland, for example, build units with the express purpose of offering them at lower cost, without parking attached. Other developers, wondering where this sort of development can fly, are putting the question to the public. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why We Don&#8217;t Need a Parking Maximum - Seattle Transit Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why We Don&#8217;t Need a Parking Maximum - Seattle Transit Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s not hard to find evidence of developers looking to earn the housing dollars of car-free urban buyers such as myself: Moda here and The Civic in Portland, for example, build units with the express purpose of offering them at lower cost, without parking attached.Â  Other developers, wondering where this sort of development can fly, are putting the question to the public. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s not hard to find evidence of developers looking to earn the housing dollars of car-free urban buyers such as myself: Moda here and The Civic in Portland, for example, build units with the express purpose of offering them at lower cost, without parking attached.Â  Other developers, wondering where this sort of development can fly, are putting the question to the public. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: EconE</title>
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		<dc:creator>EconE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 02:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No parking is a total bust.

Even 1 br&#039;s here in L.A. can come with 2 spots...but it&#039;s more of a car culture down here.

Regardless...as much as I&#039;m for cycling/public transit/walking etc...I would have to have a car...and a flexi car wouldn&#039;t cut it either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No parking is a total bust.</p>
<p>Even 1 br&#8217;s here in L.A. can come with 2 spots&#8230;but it&#8217;s more of a car culture down here.</p>
<p>Regardless&#8230;as much as I&#8217;m for cycling/public transit/walking etc&#8230;I would have to have a car&#8230;and a flexi car wouldn&#8217;t cut it either.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One suggestion that sort of picks up where mhays left off.  In San Francisco, buildings with less than one spot per unit (often studios can&#039;t have parking) are starting to provide a spot or two for flex-car or car-share programs.  That could take the sting out of it for those that don&#039;t need to drive daily but want access to a convenient car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One suggestion that sort of picks up where mhays left off.  In San Francisco, buildings with less than one spot per unit (often studios can&#8217;t have parking) are starting to provide a spot or two for flex-car or car-share programs.  That could take the sting out of it for those that don&#8217;t need to drive daily but want access to a convenient car.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for posting, Matt. I&#039;ll add more detail:

In this concept, the parking ratio would be just above .5 per unit, so about half of the unit buyers could have parking on site. I&#039;m in the process of identifying nearby lots (w/i a block of the site) where parking would be available for lease to potential owners. 

The 30K is pass long savings on the stall, which would be lowere than the retail price and somewhat lower than the replacement cost</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for posting, Matt. I&#8217;ll add more detail:</p>
<p>In this concept, the parking ratio would be just above .5 per unit, so about half of the unit buyers could have parking on site. I&#8217;m in the process of identifying nearby lots (w/i a block of the site) where parking would be available for lease to potential owners. </p>
<p>The 30K is pass long savings on the stall, which would be lowere than the retail price and somewhat lower than the replacement cost</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No parking spot is a total dealbreaker for me. When I was looking to buy, I wouldn&#039;t even consider LOOKING at the place if it didn&#039;t come with parking- especially since most new constructions do offer one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No parking spot is a total dealbreaker for me. When I was looking to buy, I wouldn&#8217;t even consider LOOKING at the place if it didn&#8217;t come with parking- especially since most new constructions do offer one.</p>
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		<title>By: mhays</title>
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		<dc:creator>mhays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d certainly buy without parking.  By marketing units specifically as &quot;no space = more space&quot; you&#039;d certainly attract the attention to those of us without cars.  The $5,000 allowance is problematic -- I&#039;d wonder why I, who would not use the allowance, wasn&#039;t getting my $5,000 too.  Why not ditch the $5,000 and just sell units for less?  

PS, I&#039;ll stay in Belltown.  But Green Lake would be great if I worked within walking distance!  

The concept isn&#039;t without risk.  But if it&#039;s a small number of units and within a block of good transit and services, it sounds very workable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d certainly buy without parking.  By marketing units specifically as &#8220;no space = more space&#8221; you&#8217;d certainly attract the attention to those of us without cars.  The $5,000 allowance is problematic &#8212; I&#8217;d wonder why I, who would not use the allowance, wasn&#8217;t getting my $5,000 too.  Why not ditch the $5,000 and just sell units for less?  </p>
<p>PS, I&#8217;ll stay in Belltown.  But Green Lake would be great if I worked within walking distance!  </p>
<p>The concept isn&#8217;t without risk.  But if it&#8217;s a small number of units and within a block of good transit and services, it sounds very workable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is in a zone that requires Commercial street frontage, you are going to be required to have parking for said commercial spaces unless you can minimize it to below 2500 S.F.

One of the largest reasons to avoid supplying parking is cost obviously, however if you are going to avoid this cost and then have to charge less as a result it seams to me that it is a bit of a wash.  

Granted, there might be a a minor profit, but there is also a lot of added risk.  The average condo buyer out there does not think of a parking space as a commodity, that is what a second parking space is for.  You can assume that if you offer the option for parking, some will take it, others won&#039;t, but on the flip side, there are a decent number of people who won&#039;t look at the building at all without parking.  Personally, I don&#039;t think that the risk is worth the potential minor reward.

Additional bonuses to a parking garage.

1. It is impossible for you to use all the space in a garage for parking.  This allows you to move utilities such as meter rooms, water retention vaults, storage, transformer vaults and boiler (if applicable) into those spaces and take them out of the sell able square footage.

2.) I believe that regardless of use you must supply a handicapped stall and entrance, Parking garages are perfect for this.

To say that anyone or even most of the people renting in that area are UW students I would say is a mistake and marketing that direction would be a mistake.  In addition, almost everyone I knew who went to UW had a car and those that didn&#039;t lived in frats / sororities.

Additionally, Greenlake has become a virtual breeding ground for the young professional.  While many of us would like to rid our areas of &quot;the car&quot; it simply is not a realistic option until the city gets a better mass transit system.  Too many of these people must commute to work, whether it be downtown Seattle, or all too often Bellevue and Redmond to Microsoft.  

All things to think about, but most of it simply opinion and experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is in a zone that requires Commercial street frontage, you are going to be required to have parking for said commercial spaces unless you can minimize it to below 2500 S.F.</p>
<p>One of the largest reasons to avoid supplying parking is cost obviously, however if you are going to avoid this cost and then have to charge less as a result it seams to me that it is a bit of a wash.  </p>
<p>Granted, there might be a a minor profit, but there is also a lot of added risk.  The average condo buyer out there does not think of a parking space as a commodity, that is what a second parking space is for.  You can assume that if you offer the option for parking, some will take it, others won&#8217;t, but on the flip side, there are a decent number of people who won&#8217;t look at the building at all without parking.  Personally, I don&#8217;t think that the risk is worth the potential minor reward.</p>
<p>Additional bonuses to a parking garage.</p>
<p>1. It is impossible for you to use all the space in a garage for parking.  This allows you to move utilities such as meter rooms, water retention vaults, storage, transformer vaults and boiler (if applicable) into those spaces and take them out of the sell able square footage.</p>
<p>2.) I believe that regardless of use you must supply a handicapped stall and entrance, Parking garages are perfect for this.</p>
<p>To say that anyone or even most of the people renting in that area are UW students I would say is a mistake and marketing that direction would be a mistake.  In addition, almost everyone I knew who went to UW had a car and those that didn&#8217;t lived in frats / sororities.</p>
<p>Additionally, Greenlake has become a virtual breeding ground for the young professional.  While many of us would like to rid our areas of &#8220;the car&#8221; it simply is not a realistic option until the city gets a better mass transit system.  Too many of these people must commute to work, whether it be downtown Seattle, or all too often Bellevue and Redmond to Microsoft.  </p>
<p>All things to think about, but most of it simply opinion and experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would there not be any on-site parking at all or would it be available as an option?  Certainly, having a deeded or community parking space would be preferable, and as Cameron pointed out it may impact resale value.  

That said, there&#039;s more surface parking available in the Green Lake / Roosevelt areas (away from the biz districts) so parking may not necessarily be an issue for potential buyers.  And, if someone purchases it as a rental, the most obvious renters would be UW students, many of whom may not have a vehicle.

Though, personally, I&#039;d only purchase if it had on-site parking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would there not be any on-site parking at all or would it be available as an option?  Certainly, having a deeded or community parking space would be preferable, and as Cameron pointed out it may impact resale value.  </p>
<p>That said, there&#8217;s more surface parking available in the Green Lake / Roosevelt areas (away from the biz districts) so parking may not necessarily be an issue for potential buyers.  And, if someone purchases it as a rental, the most obvious renters would be UW students, many of whom may not have a vehicle.</p>
<p>Though, personally, I&#8217;d only purchase if it had on-site parking.</p>
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		<title>By: Cosmo Seattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cosmo Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thinks it’s a grand idea as in would seem to create more affordable condo options while at the same time encouraging a car-less existence. I’d consider it if I liked the area more. Not urban enough.</p>
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