Endless delays at Noma

Maggie, a first time home buyer, writes in about her experience at Noma hoping to find out if there are more delays and how others have been treated. I’ve spoken to several buyers at Noma and her experience appears to be pretty typical of the bunch; copper theft, wrong size windows and bad communication:

The delays are horrendous, even by new construction standards, and the lack of communication between the builder and the management team (thereby affecting communication between management and the buyers) is practically non existent.

It was originally set for completion last September (first closing dates were then) and they spent all summer telling us to expect a small delay, but ‘we’ll schedule a meeting with all of you.” They waited until end of July/August to tell us they hadn’t been able to work on the building much all summer because the windows came in the wrong tint, then when the SECOND shipment came in, they were the wrong size. So they had to reframe all of the windows to fit.

So with a month to go, they tell us of a small delay. Two months later, they suddenly changed their tune (rumor has it it was from copper theft) and the new closing dates started in February. In mid-February, I asked the
management team if we would make my March 22nd closing date. They said of course, with a couple weeks of delay at most.

Two weeks later, they came back and delayed another two months, this time with only a 15 day closing cushion for the builder, since they knew no one would re-sign the addendums with another 60 day buffer.

I ended up backing out- they were unwilling to pay my increase in rent (as a result of going month to month for the delay) and when I threatened to back out, they said that’s fine- they had a list of people waiting for one bedrooms and they could re sell it for so much more.

So I backed out, at which point they fell over themselves to get me to come back. They said I “must have misunderstood” about what they would concede to compensate me for the delay, then asked if I would consider going through with it and flipping it myself.

It should be pointed out that it took them a month to put it back up, and they did indeed jack the price up by 50 grand. But another, better, 1 bedroom came back up at the same time, (only 2 grand more) meaning I would have competed to flip it.

With the new closing dates set through May and June, I’m hearing a rumor there is now another 2 month delay “at least.”

Who is developing Noma? What other projects are they doing/have planned?

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  • brian

    She should be commended for backing out. It amazes me how many people lust after their lovely new condo and get blinded by that lust. I wonder if the developer is going to lay the wood to the builder… or if they have a collusive biz relationship just like almost everyone on almost every project around here.

  • brian

    She should be commended for backing out. It amazes me how many people lust after their lovely new condo and get blinded by that lust. I wonder if the developer is going to lay the wood to the builder… or if they have a collusive biz relationship just like almost everyone on almost every project around here.

  • Cameron

    I would be VERY worried about construction defects with all of these delays. The pressure on the builder to just ‘get it done’ must be enormous at this point.

  • Cameron

    I would be VERY worried about construction defects with all of these delays. The pressure on the builder to just ‘get it done’ must be enormous at this point.

  • jaap

    Now that is reallly scary. In this day and age, construction delays are to be expected to some extent – but such a lack of clear communication is pretty unforgiveable. I have friends who almost bought there and now am so glad they didn’t! What a mess…

  • jaap

    Now that is reallly scary. In this day and age, construction delays are to be expected to some extent – but such a lack of clear communication is pretty unforgiveable. I have friends who almost bought there and now am so glad they didn’t! What a mess…

  • Foster

    I can’t understand how the builder would just reframe the windows (which wasn’t how the plan was drawn) instead of simply sending the windows back a second time. I wouldn’t want my windows reframed, I would demand the right size windows!

  • Foster

    I can’t understand how the builder would just reframe the windows (which wasn’t how the plan was drawn) instead of simply sending the windows back a second time. I wouldn’t want my windows reframed, I would demand the right size windows!

  • Dan

    Triad is the developer of NoMa…and they are usually known for their quality of work. But they are also the developer of TRIO on lower Queen Anne, whose sales are also in the dump.

    Bet you dollars to donuts that Trio gets finished with only 10-20% of the units sold, and the NoMa complex gets put up for sale before it is ever completed. If I were a buyer there, I would hire a lawyer to read my “change of developer/builder” clause very carefully, who knows who will end up finishing the project.

    Does anyone know the story of Tech Tower (Tower333) in Bellevue? Sat as a crater for over 7 years…

  • Dan

    Triad is the developer of NoMa…and they are usually known for their quality of work. But they are also the developer of TRIO on lower Queen Anne, whose sales are also in the dump.

    Bet you dollars to donuts that Trio gets finished with only 10-20% of the units sold, and the NoMa complex gets put up for sale before it is ever completed. If I were a buyer there, I would hire a lawyer to read my “change of developer/builder” clause very carefully, who knows who will end up finishing the project.

    Does anyone know the story of Tech Tower (Tower333) in Bellevue? Sat as a crater for over 7 years…

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  • Max

    I just rescinded my offer at NOMA. I have found the delays bad but the lack of communication with the customers has been appalling.

    Waiting until the second to tell customers about the endless delays then throwing a fit when customers demand they cover their growing costs as they wait for NOMA to finally be completed.

    The entire experience has been a nightmare.

  • Max

    I just rescinded my offer at NOMA. I have found the delays bad but the lack of communication with the customers has been appalling.

    Waiting until the second to tell customers about the endless delays then throwing a fit when customers demand they cover their growing costs as they wait for NOMA to finally be completed.

    The entire experience has been a nightmare.

  • Cameron

    Dan, the original Tech Tower developer could not finish. Vacancy rates were going way up at the time. Of course, Bellevue now has one of the tightest office markets in the country and the tower (Tower 333) is due to be finished towards the end of the year. There are rumors that Google is eyeing it for expansion to counter Microsoft.

    This was the tower the crane collapsed from last year, damaging two neighboring buildings and killing a person.

  • Cameron

    Dan, the original Tech Tower developer could not finish. Vacancy rates were going way up at the time. Of course, Bellevue now has one of the tightest office markets in the country and the tower (Tower 333) is due to be finished towards the end of the year. There are rumors that Google is eyeing it for expansion to counter Microsoft.

    This was the tower the crane collapsed from last year, damaging two neighboring buildings and killing a person.

  • Dan

    Cameron,

    I am familier with the story of the tower, I was just drawing a reference to the current condo situation. You have a developer (in this case many), who begins a construction project in the heat of a bubble (tech bubble for the tower), and ends up being halfway done right as it collapses.
    The bank makes a call for the loan, the developer hasn’t sold any condos (or leased any space), and is forced to sell the property to the highest bidder.

    I am merely predicting that this will happen with a number of condo projects in the Puget Sound (Domaine, NoMa, Equinox, Fini). Too many people starting construction who already missed the gravy train.

  • Dan

    Cameron,

    I am familier with the story of the tower, I was just drawing a reference to the current condo situation. You have a developer (in this case many), who begins a construction project in the heat of a bubble (tech bubble for the tower), and ends up being halfway done right as it collapses.
    The bank makes a call for the loan, the developer hasn’t sold any condos (or leased any space), and is forced to sell the property to the highest bidder.

    I am merely predicting that this will happen with a number of condo projects in the Puget Sound (Domaine, NoMa, Equinox, Fini). Too many people starting construction who already missed the gravy train.

  • Dan

    Also, sadly…Google recently nixed the tower and leased 75,000 additional sf of space in Fremont, near the Red Door and Epi Apartments. They are going to focus on Seattle. (They were actually third in line to purchase the Safeco Tower in the U-District, until the Governor stepped in and made a “suggestion” that it be sold to the U.)

  • Dan

    Also, sadly…Google recently nixed the tower and leased 75,000 additional sf of space in Fremont, near the Red Door and Epi Apartments. They are going to focus on Seattle. (They were actually third in line to purchase the Safeco Tower in the U-District, until the Governor stepped in and made a “suggestion” that it be sold to the U.)

  • Annette

    Does anyone else out there have a problem with Domaine?

  • Annette

    Does anyone else out there have a problem with Domaine?

  • Dan C.

    I live right near there on Queen Anne. Just imaging how fun that clusterf*ck of an intersection will be when we have 200+ more people trying to get through there. Bet the sales team does not talk about that.

    Plus, who would want to live ON highway 99?

  • Dan C.

    I live right near there on Queen Anne. Just imaging how fun that clusterf*ck of an intersection will be when we have 200+ more people trying to get through there. Bet the sales team does not talk about that.

    Plus, who would want to live ON highway 99?

  • Annette

    Well, I put a deposit on a condo in the Domaine Complex but at the front facing Lake Union – there have been countless delays and no word from the sales team(s). I have to keep chasing them as I can see it is not near completion – it is such a pain…..

    Cheers

  • Annette

    Well, I put a deposit on a condo in the Domaine Complex but at the front facing Lake Union – there have been countless delays and no word from the sales team(s). I have to keep chasing them as I can see it is not near completion – it is such a pain…..

    Cheers

  • Ken

    My friend moved into his one bedroom NOMA condo about 11 months late.
    A couple months later a fire two floors above caused severe water damage in his unit. He has spent almost 4 months in an apartment while his condo is repaired and will probably face at least 4 more. NOMA management is being VERY uncooperative during the entire process.
    You couldn’t pay me to get a condo here!

  • Ken

    My friend moved into his one bedroom NOMA condo about 11 months late.
    A couple months later a fire two floors above caused severe water damage in his unit. He has spent almost 4 months in an apartment while his condo is repaired and will probably face at least 4 more. NOMA management is being VERY uncooperative during the entire process.
    You couldn’t pay me to get a condo here!