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		<title>By: Sam DeBord, SeattleHome.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam DeBord, SeattleHome.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MD, clearly, you don&#039;t need these &quot;canned documents&quot; that a monkey can fill out, so I&#039;m not sure why you&#039;re worried about agents.  Many buyers feel that their agents assist in negotiating prices, closing costs, upgrades, inspections, timelines, and closings.  If you don&#039;t need one, work directly with the sellers.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Why is this worth 4% over that of traditional 3%?&quot;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know.  The seller offered it to buyers&#039; agents.  Why is the anger focused on the buyers&#039; agents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MD, clearly, you don&#39;t need these &#8220;canned documents&#8221; that a monkey can fill out, so I&#39;m not sure why you&#39;re worried about agents.  Many buyers feel that their agents assist in negotiating prices, closing costs, upgrades, inspections, timelines, and closings.  If you don&#39;t need one, work directly with the sellers.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Why is this worth 4% over that of traditional 3%?&#8221;<br />I don&#39;t know.  The seller offered it to buyers&#39; agents.  Why is the anger focused on the buyers&#39; agents?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam DeBord, SeattleHome.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam DeBord, SeattleHome.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see all of the responses. I knew some folks wouldn&#039;t like it, but I&#039;m just shooting straight, not sugar-coating it.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I&#039;ve worked plenty of transactions for buyers when I was only offered a 2% commission from the sellers. Should I ask my buyers to give me some extra cash to make up for it? Of course not. I still give my clients great service and my full attention for a 2% commission. In the rare occasion when the seller offers a 4% commission, why would I turn it down? &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;You&#039;re free to attempt to purchase a home without representation. However, if you choose to have an agent represent you, it doesn&#039;t make sense to tell your agent how much he/she can receive from the seller.&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see all of the responses. I knew some folks wouldn&#39;t like it, but I&#39;m just shooting straight, not sugar-coating it.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve worked plenty of transactions for buyers when I was only offered a 2% commission from the sellers. Should I ask my buyers to give me some extra cash to make up for it? Of course not. I still give my clients great service and my full attention for a 2% commission. In the rare occasion when the seller offers a 4% commission, why would I turn it down? </p>
<p>You&#39;re free to attempt to purchase a home without representation. However, if you choose to have an agent represent you, it doesn&#39;t make sense to tell your agent how much he/she can receive from the seller.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam DeBord, SeattleHome.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam DeBord, SeattleHome.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MD, clearly, you don&#039;t need these &quot;canned documents&quot; that a monkey can fill out, so I&#039;m not sure why you&#039;re worried about agents.  Many buyers feel that their agents assist in negotiating prices, closing costs, upgrades, inspections, timelines, and closings.  If you don&#039;t need one, work directly with the sellers.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Why is this worth 4% over that of traditional 3%?&quot;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know.  The seller offered it to buyers&#039; agents.  Why is the anger focused on the buyers&#039; agents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MD, clearly, you don&#39;t need these &#8220;canned documents&#8221; that a monkey can fill out, so I&#39;m not sure why you&#39;re worried about agents.  Many buyers feel that their agents assist in negotiating prices, closing costs, upgrades, inspections, timelines, and closings.  If you don&#39;t need one, work directly with the sellers.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Why is this worth 4% over that of traditional 3%?&#8221;<br />I don&#39;t know.  The seller offered it to buyers&#39; agents.  Why is the anger focused on the buyers&#39; agents?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam DeBord, SeattleHome.com</title>
		<link>http://www.urbnlivn.com/2009/10/19/veer-lofts-price-reductions/comment-page-1/#comment-78500</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam DeBord, SeattleHome.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see all of the responses.  I knew some folks wouldn&#039;t like it, but I&#039;m just shooting straight, not sugar-coating it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve worked plenty of transactions for buyers when I was only offered a 2% commission from the sellers.  Should I ask my buyers to give me some extra cash to make up for it?  Of course not.  I still give my clients great service and my full attention for a 2% commission.  In the rare occasion when the seller offers a 4% commission, why would I turn it down? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re free to attempt to purchase a home without representation.  However, if you choose to have an agent represent you, it doesn&#039;t make sense to tell your agent how much he/she can receive from the seller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see all of the responses.  I knew some folks wouldn&#39;t like it, but I&#39;m just shooting straight, not sugar-coating it.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve worked plenty of transactions for buyers when I was only offered a 2% commission from the sellers.  Should I ask my buyers to give me some extra cash to make up for it?  Of course not.  I still give my clients great service and my full attention for a 2% commission.  In the rare occasion when the seller offers a 4% commission, why would I turn it down? </p>
<p>You&#39;re free to attempt to purchase a home without representation.  However, if you choose to have an agent represent you, it doesn&#39;t make sense to tell your agent how much he/she can receive from the seller.</p>
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		<title>By: cameronrex</title>
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		<dc:creator>cameronrex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MD and bwc - great, use those types of agents.  Personally, if I were in the  market I&#039;d probably use Redfin as well.  However, unless a buyer negotiates up front the expectation that the agent is to only get x there is no automatic right to get more.  You are both letting personal prejudices towards agents get the best of you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sure, without the buyer some agents would not have income.  Without the agent some - not all - buyers would never be buyers due to their not having a clue as to how to find and buy a place to live.  And while a monkey might be able to fill out a real estate contract could it explain the legal ramifications of what the prospective buyer is signing. Savvy buyers might understand but not everyone will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MD and bwc &#8211; great, use those types of agents.  Personally, if I were in the  market I&#39;d probably use Redfin as well.  However, unless a buyer negotiates up front the expectation that the agent is to only get x there is no automatic right to get more.  You are both letting personal prejudices towards agents get the best of you.</p>
<p>Sure, without the buyer some agents would not have income.  Without the agent some &#8211; not all &#8211; buyers would never be buyers due to their not having a clue as to how to find and buy a place to live.  And while a monkey might be able to fill out a real estate contract could it explain the legal ramifications of what the prospective buyer is signing. Savvy buyers might understand but not everyone will.</p>
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		<title>By: bwc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ultimate question is this.....why is the traditional amount 3%?  Where did this number come from?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, I no longer use traditional agents.  I like companies like Redfin, or even real estate attorneys to write up my contract.  Guess what?  There are real estate attorneys that have taken the 60 hour real estate class, have access to show homes, and can fill out the canned contract, for less than $1500!  All other commissions are refunded to the buyer!  A google search provided me with a list, I made some calls, and found 2 law firms that offer this service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ultimate question is this&#8230;..why is the traditional amount 3%?  Where did this number come from?  </p>
<p>Also, I no longer use traditional agents.  I like companies like Redfin, or even real estate attorneys to write up my contract.  Guess what?  There are real estate attorneys that have taken the 60 hour real estate class, have access to show homes, and can fill out the canned contract, for less than $1500!  All other commissions are refunded to the buyer!  A google search provided me with a list, I made some calls, and found 2 law firms that offer this service.</p>
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		<title>By: The MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>The MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is The MD that is always on here.  Still, though, you nor anyone else has provided a compelling business case why this transaction would be worth 4%.  Deals come, deals go, some big, some small, some close, some don&#039;t.  So what.  Why is this worth 4% over that of traditional 3%?  Let it go and give it up to the Buyer you represent.  WIthout the Buyer, you wouldn&#039;t even have an income.  Buyers can, believe it or not, exist without Agents.  And yes, I&#039;ve seen the canned docs (the ones primarily used in MOST real estate transactions).  A monkey could fill them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is The MD that is always on here.  Still, though, you nor anyone else has provided a compelling business case why this transaction would be worth 4%.  Deals come, deals go, some big, some small, some close, some don&#39;t.  So what.  Why is this worth 4% over that of traditional 3%?  Let it go and give it up to the Buyer you represent.  WIthout the Buyer, you wouldn&#39;t even have an income.  Buyers can, believe it or not, exist without Agents.  And yes, I&#39;ve seen the canned docs (the ones primarily used in MOST real estate transactions).  A monkey could fill them out.</p>
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		<title>By: SeattleSteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeattleSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selling office commission is decided by the Seller and it is their choice what to pay.  If the seller wants to pay more to agents that sell their property it is their business and then the agents decision if they want to give some back to the client.  If a buyer feels they can buy a home on their own without their own agent or using the site agent more power to them and hopefully they can negotiate a better deal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have sold bank owned properties with a 2% or 2.5% commission and did twice as much work as I would on a non-bank owned but didn&#039;t ask the buyer to make up the difference from the &quot;traditional” 3% and would never dream to.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some deals are easy and you don’t have to do a ton of work for your commission and others you spend weeks on and then get paid nothing.  That is the difference between commission and salary/hourly wages.  There is huge risk not to get paid on hours and hours of work and that is why the reward is greater for the deals that do go together.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The MD - Yes there are drafted &quot;canned&quot; documents available to agents but they still have to be filled out correctly and if you don’t know what you are doing it can really screw up a deal and cost the buyer or seller a lot of money. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are good and bad agents just like any profession.  It is up to the customer (Buyer or Seller) to find the best possible agent.  Don’t smear everyone with same brush just because you have met a few bad ones.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW – is this The MD that is always on here or the imposter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selling office commission is decided by the Seller and it is their choice what to pay.  If the seller wants to pay more to agents that sell their property it is their business and then the agents decision if they want to give some back to the client.  If a buyer feels they can buy a home on their own without their own agent or using the site agent more power to them and hopefully they can negotiate a better deal.</p>
<p>I have sold bank owned properties with a 2% or 2.5% commission and did twice as much work as I would on a non-bank owned but didn&#39;t ask the buyer to make up the difference from the &#8220;traditional” 3% and would never dream to.  </p>
<p>Some deals are easy and you don’t have to do a ton of work for your commission and others you spend weeks on and then get paid nothing.  That is the difference between commission and salary/hourly wages.  There is huge risk not to get paid on hours and hours of work and that is why the reward is greater for the deals that do go together.  </p>
<p>The MD &#8211; Yes there are drafted &#8220;canned&#8221; documents available to agents but they still have to be filled out correctly and if you don’t know what you are doing it can really screw up a deal and cost the buyer or seller a lot of money. </p>
<p>There are good and bad agents just like any profession.  It is up to the customer (Buyer or Seller) to find the best possible agent.  Don’t smear everyone with same brush just because you have met a few bad ones.  </p>
<p>BTW – is this The MD that is always on here or the imposter?</p>
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		<title>By: The MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>The MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cameronrex - So, I&#039;ll give you your hypothetical situation (even though I would venture to say that most any buyer in this market has done his or her own homework and knows what &quot;deals&quot; are currently marketed out there)...  Everything you described is what a buyer&#039;s agent has always done - nothing more, nothing less.  So, why does this mean he/she deserves MORE payout than he/she has historically received, especially when he/she was hand-delivered such a heavily marketed property?  Let&#039;s face it, it isn&#039;t exactly like agent would have to actively seek out and dig deep to find this kind of deal.  It&#039;s plastered all over for the entire world to see. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll stick with Matt&#039;s sentiments, and I agree the agent&#039;s commission should be split between Buyer&#039;s Agent and Buyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cameronrex &#8211; So, I&#39;ll give you your hypothetical situation (even though I would venture to say that most any buyer in this market has done his or her own homework and knows what &#8220;deals&#8221; are currently marketed out there)&#8230;  Everything you described is what a buyer&#39;s agent has always done &#8211; nothing more, nothing less.  So, why does this mean he/she deserves MORE payout than he/she has historically received, especially when he/she was hand-delivered such a heavily marketed property?  Let&#39;s face it, it isn&#39;t exactly like agent would have to actively seek out and dig deep to find this kind of deal.  It&#39;s plastered all over for the entire world to see. </p>
<p>I&#39;ll stick with Matt&#39;s sentiments, and I agree the agent&#39;s commission should be split between Buyer&#39;s Agent and Buyer.</p>
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		<title>By: cameronrex</title>
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		<dc:creator>cameronrex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MD - I think you are being a little harsh.  Veer is only identified if a buyer knows about it.  If the buyer found it on their own a buyers agent is probably not even involved and instead the onsite agents - who really do very little - get their commission/paycheck.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, buyers agents, especially in this market, often show properties to clients for weeks on end - not making a dime until a purchase is made.  And the commission doesn&#039;t just pay for the filling out of documents (yes they are usually &#039;canned&#039;) but for advice and knowledge and time spent assisting a client.  Sure there are worthless agents out there, just like there are worthless doctors, but I don&#039;t think generalizations should be made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MD &#8211; I think you are being a little harsh.  Veer is only identified if a buyer knows about it.  If the buyer found it on their own a buyers agent is probably not even involved and instead the onsite agents &#8211; who really do very little &#8211; get their commission/paycheck.</p>
<p>However, buyers agents, especially in this market, often show properties to clients for weeks on end &#8211; not making a dime until a purchase is made.  And the commission doesn&#39;t just pay for the filling out of documents (yes they are usually &#39;canned&#39;) but for advice and knowledge and time spent assisting a client.  Sure there are worthless agents out there, just like there are worthless doctors, but I don&#39;t think generalizations should be made.</p>
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