Delays at the Parc

An anonymous reader writes in about their experiences at The Parc by Intracorp. How are Intracorp’s other projects doing? Hasn’t Domaine been delayed as well?

By an anonymous contributor

I bought a place at the Parc in Belltown, signed the purchase and sale [x] months ago for my very own [xxx] sq ft of Seattle. At first I was thrilled…a load off my shoulders, brand new construction by what was sold to me as “an extremely experienced builder”…comforting to a first time home buyer like myself. At that point in time I was given mid to late June as a closing time frame for my unit on the 6th floor. Which brings me to my point/rant. Since that time, I have been given the following updates since closing:

“we are on schedule” (mid to late June)

“Oh, it looks to be early July”

“First two weeks in July”

“Late July”

“First two weeks in August” (this was given to me about 10 days ago when my agent and mortgage broker started applying the pressure…this one was “solid” according to the folks at the Parc)

Just yesterday I was told “some time in October”

And now today I was told “September”…guess they made a month’s worth of progress in one day??

There you have it. Not sure what I am trying to gain from sending this to you, but I wanted to get it out there. I understand there will be delays in new construction, but is it ridiculous to feel like I am getting jerked around? Is the complete lack of communication skills this “experienced”
builder/seller exhibiting normal?

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  • Site Agent #2

    I am a realtor and a site agent as well and I have to admit that I find the negative feelings about site agents to be very distressing. I am not involved with any of the projects listed above, but that doesn’t really matter.
    Communication is always something that the general population wants and never feels is adequate. I feel for buyers that buy into a pre-sale project and experience delays. This is not an ideal situation for anyone involved, including the developer. Money is lost on all sides when closings aren’t on time. But looking at the big picture is also imperative when you are in this type of real estate contract. Imagine how many people are involved when building these large buildings. One sub-contractor not completing work on time can result in a snowball effect that causes delays building wide. It’s unfortunate and it’s frustrating, but let’s be kind. Site agents work very hard and to say that a site agent makes great money to do nothing is so far from the truth that it’s offensive. The time management to handle anywhere from 150-250 pre-sale contracts is mind blowing and requires organization that it is clear many of you do not comprehend. Closing that many homes in the matter of a few months is possibly one of the most stressful things an agent has to do. Buying in a pre-sale development has a lot of trade offs. You benefit from the amount of equity you are building while waiting for the completion of the construction… big plus… the down side is many times the buildings are not completed on time simply due to the massive scope of the work.
    It is hard to get answers from developers in many situations when it comes to delays. This is not because a developer doesn’t care about it’s buyers, but simply because they don’t have an answer or solution immediately.
    Pre-sale is still a great way to purchase real estate in this city and I stand behind it entirely. It’s just important to recognize both the pros and cons of this type of purchase.

  • Site Agent #2

    I am a realtor and a site agent as well and I have to admit that I find the negative feelings about site agents to be very distressing. I am not involved with any of the projects listed above, but that doesn’t really matter.
    Communication is always something that the general population wants and never feels is adequate. I feel for buyers that buy into a pre-sale project and experience delays. This is not an ideal situation for anyone involved, including the developer. Money is lost on all sides when closings aren’t on time. But looking at the big picture is also imperative when you are in this type of real estate contract. Imagine how many people are involved when building these large buildings. One sub-contractor not completing work on time can result in a snowball effect that causes delays building wide. It’s unfortunate and it’s frustrating, but let’s be kind. Site agents work very hard and to say that a site agent makes great money to do nothing is so far from the truth that it’s offensive. The time management to handle anywhere from 150-250 pre-sale contracts is mind blowing and requires organization that it is clear many of you do not comprehend. Closing that many homes in the matter of a few months is possibly one of the most stressful things an agent has to do. Buying in a pre-sale development has a lot of trade offs. You benefit from the amount of equity you are building while waiting for the completion of the construction… big plus… the down side is many times the buildings are not completed on time simply due to the massive scope of the work.
    It is hard to get answers from developers in many situations when it comes to delays. This is not because a developer doesn’t care about it’s buyers, but simply because they don’t have an answer or solution immediately.
    Pre-sale is still a great way to purchase real estate in this city and I stand behind it entirely. It’s just important to recognize both the pros and cons of this type of purchase.

  • lumenbuyer

    Point well taken siteagent2. I’m sure that just as in every profession, for every stellar outstanding site agent there is another that is just horrific. I thought that Julie at the Serana was amazingly helpful and followed up with me even though I didnt buy, I was also impressed with the team at 5th and Madison as well as the team at Trio. And just as in any other profession, you always hear about the bad ones more than the good ones. My job requires me to deal with a team of 140 people across 34 different companies every day and I must say that I return every single e-mail and phone call, and if I don’t know the answer I admit so and find out. Never do I just not respond or screen phone calls so that I don’t have to answer the tough question! The same courtesy being extended to me in my home purchase would be great. Just because I don’t have a choice in the agent at a particular site doesn’t mean I should be subjected to their incompetence. I’m not doing brain surgery every day and neither are site agents, so neither of us should kid ourselves and act like we’re curing cancer or saving the world. I bought pre-sale exactly for your reasons mentioned above, fully expecting that there would be delays, screw ups, etc. Anyone that buys new construction and doesn’t expect that is a fool. But I must admit that I bought in March moved in May and now it is July and have not had a communication initiated by the site agents yet. I have gotten 2 letters from the developer, which were very thorough and answered many of the questions that I had. There is no reason that I or my RE agent should have to make 6 calls to get 1 in return.

    I’ll accept your point and stop bashing site agents as a whole, and even go so far as to apologize to the good ones, if you accept my point that the team at Lumen gives the rest of you a bad name and should be dealt with accordingly. Deal?

  • lumenbuyer

    Point well taken siteagent2. I’m sure that just as in every profession, for every stellar outstanding site agent there is another that is just horrific. I thought that Julie at the Serana was amazingly helpful and followed up with me even though I didnt buy, I was also impressed with the team at 5th and Madison as well as the team at Trio. And just as in any other profession, you always hear about the bad ones more than the good ones. My job requires me to deal with a team of 140 people across 34 different companies every day and I must say that I return every single e-mail and phone call, and if I don’t know the answer I admit so and find out. Never do I just not respond or screen phone calls so that I don’t have to answer the tough question! The same courtesy being extended to me in my home purchase would be great. Just because I don’t have a choice in the agent at a particular site doesn’t mean I should be subjected to their incompetence. I’m not doing brain surgery every day and neither are site agents, so neither of us should kid ourselves and act like we’re curing cancer or saving the world. I bought pre-sale exactly for your reasons mentioned above, fully expecting that there would be delays, screw ups, etc. Anyone that buys new construction and doesn’t expect that is a fool. But I must admit that I bought in March moved in May and now it is July and have not had a communication initiated by the site agents yet. I have gotten 2 letters from the developer, which were very thorough and answered many of the questions that I had. There is no reason that I or my RE agent should have to make 6 calls to get 1 in return.

    I’ll accept your point and stop bashing site agents as a whole, and even go so far as to apologize to the good ones, if you accept my point that the team at Lumen gives the rest of you a bad name and should be dealt with accordingly. Deal?

  • lumenbuyer

    Point well taken siteagent2. I’m sure that just as in every profession, for every stellar outstanding site agent there is another that is just horrific. I thought that Julie at the Serana was amazingly helpful and followed up with me even though I didnt buy, I was also impressed with the team at 5th and Madison as well as the team at Trio. And just as in any other profession, you always hear about the bad ones more than the good ones. My job requires me to deal with a team of 140 people across 34 different companies every day and I must say that I return every single e-mail and phone call, and if I don’t know the answer I admit so and find out. Never do I just not respond or screen phone calls so that I don’t have to answer the tough question! The same courtesy being extended to me in my home purchase would be great. Just because I don’t have a choice in the agent at a particular site doesn’t mean I should be subjected to their incompetence. I’m not doing brain surgery every day and neither are site agents, so neither of us should kid ourselves and act like we’re curing cancer or saving the world. I bought pre-sale exactly for your reasons mentioned above, fully expecting that there would be delays, screw ups, etc. Anyone that buys new construction and doesn’t expect that is a fool. But I must admit that I bought in March moved in May and now it is July and have not had a communication initiated by the site agents yet. I have gotten 2 letters from the developer, which were very thorough and answered many of the questions that I had. There is no reason that I or my RE agent should have to make 6 calls to get 1 in return.

    I’ll accept your point and stop bashing site agents as a whole, and even go so far as to apologize to the good ones, if you accept my point that the team at Lumen gives the rest of you a bad name and should be dealt with accordingly. Deal?

  • Site Agent #2

    Lumen Buyer, I accept your apologies to the good site agents (as I like to consider myself one of them.) I have not personally experienced what you have at Lumen so I can neither agree or disagree with your assessment of the sales staff there, but I will concede that every profession has it’s good and bad and I am sure there are many agents out there that do not handle their business professionally. I set a goal for myself that I would always handle my business in a professional and educating way. It’s important for agents to remember that many buyers are going through this process for the first time and need to have as much hand holding as possible… that is what I wanted in my first real estate purchase. Follow up is a necessity in this business.

    I hope that your experience at Lumen improves as I do for the buyer at The Parc. Owning real estate is one of the best investments we can make. If we all keep that in mind and try to roll with the punches on these large new construction projects and the unfortunate headaches that tend to come with them I think we can all be a lot happier! In the end, it is still a great investment! Happy House Hunting Everyone!

  • Site Agent #2

    Lumen Buyer, I accept your apologies to the good site agents (as I like to consider myself one of them.) I have not personally experienced what you have at Lumen so I can neither agree or disagree with your assessment of the sales staff there, but I will concede that every profession has it’s good and bad and I am sure there are many agents out there that do not handle their business professionally. I set a goal for myself that I would always handle my business in a professional and educating way. It’s important for agents to remember that many buyers are going through this process for the first time and need to have as much hand holding as possible… that is what I wanted in my first real estate purchase. Follow up is a necessity in this business.

    I hope that your experience at Lumen improves as I do for the buyer at The Parc. Owning real estate is one of the best investments we can make. If we all keep that in mind and try to roll with the punches on these large new construction projects and the unfortunate headaches that tend to come with them I think we can all be a lot happier! In the end, it is still a great investment! Happy House Hunting Everyone!

  • Site Agent #2

    Lumen Buyer, I accept your apologies to the good site agents (as I like to consider myself one of them.) I have not personally experienced what you have at Lumen so I can neither agree or disagree with your assessment of the sales staff there, but I will concede that every profession has it’s good and bad and I am sure there are many agents out there that do not handle their business professionally. I set a goal for myself that I would always handle my business in a professional and educating way. It’s important for agents to remember that many buyers are going through this process for the first time and need to have as much hand holding as possible… that is what I wanted in my first real estate purchase. Follow up is a necessity in this business.

    I hope that your experience at Lumen improves as I do for the buyer at The Parc. Owning real estate is one of the best investments we can make. If we all keep that in mind and try to roll with the punches on these large new construction projects and the unfortunate headaches that tend to come with them I think we can all be a lot happier! In the end, it is still a great investment! Happy House Hunting Everyone!

  • DMG

    Day 10, still no communication…letter, phone, telegram, messenger pigeon…nothing.

  • DMG

    Day 10, still no communication…letter, phone, telegram, messenger pigeon…nothing.

  • DMG

    Day 10, still no communication…letter, phone, telegram, messenger pigeon…nothing.

  • EconE

    Site Agent’s…

    From what Matt has told me before this is a website by a consumer for consumers.

    You guys are on the sales side. Let the consumers bitch in peace here without feeling that it is necessary to come in and “defend” yourselves. If you communicate with your customers then more power to you. If you don’t have the answer then you should go to your superior and ask. If your superior doesn’t have the answer then he/she should go to theirs…and so on…and so on…until the person at the top who reaps the lions share of the profits has to answer for the delays. After all…shouldn’t someone in the process have a sign on their desk that says…

    “The buck stops here”?

    Also…quit calling a home an investment. It is a home…just that. If it is an “investment”…please…tell me…how many preconstruction condo’s are you waiting for delivery on? After all…If it is a “great investment” then you should be snapping up as many as possible?

  • EconE

    Site Agent’s…

    From what Matt has told me before this is a website by a consumer for consumers.

    You guys are on the sales side. Let the consumers bitch in peace here without feeling that it is necessary to come in and “defend” yourselves. If you communicate with your customers then more power to you. If you don’t have the answer then you should go to your superior and ask. If your superior doesn’t have the answer then he/she should go to theirs…and so on…and so on…until the person at the top who reaps the lions share of the profits has to answer for the delays. After all…shouldn’t someone in the process have a sign on their desk that says…

    “The buck stops here”?

    Also…quit calling a home an investment. It is a home…just that. If it is an “investment”…please…tell me…how many preconstruction condo’s are you waiting for delivery on? After all…If it is a “great investment” then you should be snapping up as many as possible?

  • EconE

    Site Agent’s…

    From what Matt has told me before this is a website by a consumer for consumers.

    You guys are on the sales side. Let the consumers bitch in peace here without feeling that it is necessary to come in and “defend” yourselves. If you communicate with your customers then more power to you. If you don’t have the answer then you should go to your superior and ask. If your superior doesn’t have the answer then he/she should go to theirs…and so on…and so on…until the person at the top who reaps the lions share of the profits has to answer for the delays. After all…shouldn’t someone in the process have a sign on their desk that says…

    “The buck stops here”?

    Also…quit calling a home an investment. It is a home…just that. If it is an “investment”…please…tell me…how many preconstruction condo’s are you waiting for delivery on? After all…If it is a “great investment” then you should be snapping up as many as possible?

  • Site Agent

    Econ E, I’m actually waiting for 2 pre-construction condos to be finished. They are indeed homes, but I definitely look at them as investments first and foremost, and I’ll snap up as many as my budget allows :) …. and by the way…. I’ve yet to meet any agents on reputable projects that make 8 bucks an hour! I certainly don’t know where you got that!!

    I do work in the industry, but I am also a buyer…. So I feel entitled to be a contributer on this type of forum. Actually, being on both sides of the fence might help some people gain perspective. I too, of course, have had past homes have problems, finish late etc. You do develop some patience for that type of thing when you work in the industry and know the number of people/factors involved in a large project… and the many, many things that can happen. It’s OK for people to bitch….but I think it’s fair for agents to put their 2 cents in or to vindicate themselves….Especially, since some of the comments made here are rather vicious…. Downright Slander in some cases!!…. I understand people get heated and want to vent, but… they may not fully appreciate that their comments could really hurt someone’s career or livelihood . When people are posting agent’s names and sites on these forums, the agents have every right to defend themselves! Of course there are some agents that do screw up… We’re far from a “perfect breed,” as a whole. However, more often than not, we tend to get the brunt of buyer’s frusteration because we’re on the “front lines.” Myself and many of my co-workers are some of the most persistant, tenacious people you’ll ever meet! You have to be to get those answers from the “people at the top.”.. I don’t care how many times or how many ways you ask though… Sometimes the answers just aren’t there (yet)! Patience is virtue. I think I’ve keenly developed mine in this business ;) I’m sure there are some cases that are completely waranted and more communication should have happened between site agent and buyer etc…and I feel for those people that had bad experiences…. Unfortunately, A lot of people, not all :), only take the time to talk about their experiences on forums like this, if they’re negative….For every one disgruntled person out there, you’ll find dozens of happy, satisfied buyers…

  • Site Agent

    Econ E, I’m actually waiting for 2 pre-construction condos to be finished. They are indeed homes, but I definitely look at them as investments first and foremost, and I’ll snap up as many as my budget allows :) …. and by the way…. I’ve yet to meet any agents on reputable projects that make 8 bucks an hour! I certainly don’t know where you got that!!

    I do work in the industry, but I am also a buyer…. So I feel entitled to be a contributer on this type of forum. Actually, being on both sides of the fence might help some people gain perspective. I too, of course, have had past homes have problems, finish late etc. You do develop some patience for that type of thing when you work in the industry and know the number of people/factors involved in a large project… and the many, many things that can happen. It’s OK for people to bitch….but I think it’s fair for agents to put their 2 cents in or to vindicate themselves….Especially, since some of the comments made here are rather vicious…. Downright Slander in some cases!!…. I understand people get heated and want to vent, but… they may not fully appreciate that their comments could really hurt someone’s career or livelihood . When people are posting agent’s names and sites on these forums, the agents have every right to defend themselves! Of course there are some agents that do screw up… We’re far from a “perfect breed,” as a whole. However, more often than not, we tend to get the brunt of buyer’s frusteration because we’re on the “front lines.” Myself and many of my co-workers are some of the most persistant, tenacious people you’ll ever meet! You have to be to get those answers from the “people at the top.”.. I don’t care how many times or how many ways you ask though… Sometimes the answers just aren’t there (yet)! Patience is virtue. I think I’ve keenly developed mine in this business ;) I’m sure there are some cases that are completely waranted and more communication should have happened between site agent and buyer etc…and I feel for those people that had bad experiences…. Unfortunately, A lot of people, not all :), only take the time to talk about their experiences on forums like this, if they’re negative….For every one disgruntled person out there, you’ll find dozens of happy, satisfied buyers…

  • Site Agent

    Econ E, I’m actually waiting for 2 pre-construction condos to be finished. They are indeed homes, but I definitely look at them as investments first and foremost, and I’ll snap up as many as my budget allows :) …. and by the way…. I’ve yet to meet any agents on reputable projects that make 8 bucks an hour! I certainly don’t know where you got that!!

    I do work in the industry, but I am also a buyer…. So I feel entitled to be a contributer on this type of forum. Actually, being on both sides of the fence might help some people gain perspective. I too, of course, have had past homes have problems, finish late etc. You do develop some patience for that type of thing when you work in the industry and know the number of people/factors involved in a large project… and the many, many things that can happen. It’s OK for people to bitch….but I think it’s fair for agents to put their 2 cents in or to vindicate themselves….Especially, since some of the comments made here are rather vicious…. Downright Slander in some cases!!…. I understand people get heated and want to vent, but… they may not fully appreciate that their comments could really hurt someone’s career or livelihood . When people are posting agent’s names and sites on these forums, the agents have every right to defend themselves! Of course there are some agents that do screw up… We’re far from a “perfect breed,” as a whole. However, more often than not, we tend to get the brunt of buyer’s frusteration because we’re on the “front lines.” Myself and many of my co-workers are some of the most persistant, tenacious people you’ll ever meet! You have to be to get those answers from the “people at the top.”.. I don’t care how many times or how many ways you ask though… Sometimes the answers just aren’t there (yet)! Patience is virtue. I think I’ve keenly developed mine in this business ;) I’m sure there are some cases that are completely waranted and more communication should have happened between site agent and buyer etc…and I feel for those people that had bad experiences…. Unfortunately, A lot of people, not all :), only take the time to talk about their experiences on forums like this, if they’re negative….For every one disgruntled person out there, you’ll find dozens of happy, satisfied buyers…

  • EconE

    Site Agent who posted above me.

    1. Please note…I was not the one that stated that “site agents” (should that be capitalized?) only made $8/hr…if you tab up you will be able to see that quite clearly.

    2. I have said nothing slanderous about any agent nor do I have any personal beef with agents. I have only pointed out the facts with regards to my own visits to various sales centers and can easily see through marketing tactics. I understand that it must really suck to have someone like myself posting on blogs like this.

    3. If people here want to complain about a lack of communication with regards to their agent then so be it. If an agent wants to come in and “vindicate” themselves as you state…fine…let them…it seems however that you are coming in and speaking for those that should be here defending themselves.

    4. If you read your initial comment…once again…scroll up…it appears that you took personal offense to the people complaining regarding communications. Starting your post with “OK…enough bloggers.” and finishing it with “So…Back Off!!” is hardly going to win you any followers. If you communicate and your buyers are happy…more power to you!

    Now…if you’ll excuse me…I have to go use the toilet.

    Damn coffee.

  • EconE

    Site Agent who posted above me.

    1. Please note…I was not the one that stated that “site agents” (should that be capitalized?) only made $8/hr…if you tab up you will be able to see that quite clearly.

    2. I have said nothing slanderous about any agent nor do I have any personal beef with agents. I have only pointed out the facts with regards to my own visits to various sales centers and can easily see through marketing tactics. I understand that it must really suck to have someone like myself posting on blogs like this.

    3. If people here want to complain about a lack of communication with regards to their agent then so be it. If an agent wants to come in and “vindicate” themselves as you state…fine…let them…it seems however that you are coming in and speaking for those that should be here defending themselves.

    4. If you read your initial comment…once again…scroll up…it appears that you took personal offense to the people complaining regarding communications. Starting your post with “OK…enough bloggers.” and finishing it with “So…Back Off!!” is hardly going to win you any followers. If you communicate and your buyers are happy…more power to you!

    Now…if you’ll excuse me…I have to go use the toilet.

    Damn coffee.

  • EconE

    Site Agent who posted above me.

    1. Please note…I was not the one that stated that “site agents” (should that be capitalized?) only made $8/hr…if you tab up you will be able to see that quite clearly.

    2. I have said nothing slanderous about any agent nor do I have any personal beef with agents. I have only pointed out the facts with regards to my own visits to various sales centers and can easily see through marketing tactics. I understand that it must really suck to have someone like myself posting on blogs like this.

    3. If people here want to complain about a lack of communication with regards to their agent then so be it. If an agent wants to come in and “vindicate” themselves as you state…fine…let them…it seems however that you are coming in and speaking for those that should be here defending themselves.

    4. If you read your initial comment…once again…scroll up…it appears that you took personal offense to the people complaining regarding communications. Starting your post with “OK…enough bloggers.” and finishing it with “So…Back Off!!” is hardly going to win you any followers. If you communicate and your buyers are happy…more power to you!

    Now…if you’ll excuse me…I have to go use the toilet.

    Damn coffee.

  • jo

    site (sales) agents work for the builder. period. that is where their true loyalty lies.

    they have every bit of reason to keep the builder pleased rather than the buyer. tick off the builder and the builder uses another marketing company on their next project. tick off a buyer, no biggie, there are thousands others out there.

    that being said, most of the sales-site agents do sympathize with the buyer. developers do drive them insane…agents are stuck in a tough spot. i feel for them, but hey they chose this profession. plus after hearing of all the units they buy before the general public is offered them (williams marketing especially…braeburn, olive8 ect) i feel less sympathy. i was at bagley lofts and an agent there was telling me how she was able to get the cheapest unit at olive8 (both williams marketing properties). it was one of the units i wanted but thought i had lost out on due to the lottery (lottery my butt). its my guess they stay as onsite sales agents because of the ability to get first choices on the projects. you think they would use their brain and keep their mouths shut about it, but they dont.

  • jo

    site (sales) agents work for the builder. period. that is where their true loyalty lies.

    they have every bit of reason to keep the builder pleased rather than the buyer. tick off the builder and the builder uses another marketing company on their next project. tick off a buyer, no biggie, there are thousands others out there.

    that being said, most of the sales-site agents do sympathize with the buyer. developers do drive them insane…agents are stuck in a tough spot. i feel for them, but hey they chose this profession. plus after hearing of all the units they buy before the general public is offered them (williams marketing especially…braeburn, olive8 ect) i feel less sympathy. i was at bagley lofts and an agent there was telling me how she was able to get the cheapest unit at olive8 (both williams marketing properties). it was one of the units i wanted but thought i had lost out on due to the lottery (lottery my butt). its my guess they stay as onsite sales agents because of the ability to get first choices on the projects. you think they would use their brain and keep their mouths shut about it, but they dont.

  • jo

    site (sales) agents work for the builder. period. that is where their true loyalty lies.

    they have every bit of reason to keep the builder pleased rather than the buyer. tick off the builder and the builder uses another marketing company on their next project. tick off a buyer, no biggie, there are thousands others out there.

    that being said, most of the sales-site agents do sympathize with the buyer. developers do drive them insane…agents are stuck in a tough spot. i feel for them, but hey they chose this profession. plus after hearing of all the units they buy before the general public is offered them (williams marketing especially…braeburn, olive8 ect) i feel less sympathy. i was at bagley lofts and an agent there was telling me how she was able to get the cheapest unit at olive8 (both williams marketing properties). it was one of the units i wanted but thought i had lost out on due to the lottery (lottery my butt). its my guess they stay as onsite sales agents because of the ability to get first choices on the projects. you think they would use their brain and keep their mouths shut about it, but they dont.

  • DMG

    “I understand people get heated and want to vent, but they may not fully appreciate that their comments could really hurt someones career or livelihood”

    This forum provides the consumer an outlet to voice experiences, recieve feedback, and warn others. When poor job performance affects other people, then that person or company needs to be held accountable.

  • DMG

    “I understand people get heated and want to vent, but they may not fully appreciate that their comments could really hurt someones career or livelihood”

    This forum provides the consumer an outlet to voice experiences, recieve feedback, and warn others. When poor job performance affects other people, then that person or company needs to be held accountable.

  • DMG

    “I understand people get heated and want to vent, but… they may not fully appreciate that their comments could really hurt someone’s career or livelihood”

    This forum provides the consumer an outlet to voice experiences, recieve feedback, and warn others. When poor job performance affects other people, then that person or company needs to be held accountable.

  • Bob

    I have only skimmed through the posts. But there is nothing wrong with site agents getting first dips. Think sales girls at Nordstrom. There is also nothing wrong with calling these condos an investment. Investments go up and down in value. People have made loads of money flipping homes. They can lose their butts too. It is not the job of these professionals to point out the latter. They work in sales. Ever heard of a sales rep who tells you to delay purchase and pay off your credit card bill first?

  • Bob

    I have only skimmed through the posts. But there is nothing wrong with site agents getting first dips. Think sales girls at Nordstrom. There is also nothing wrong with calling these condos an investment. Investments go up and down in value. People have made loads of money flipping homes. They can lose their butts too. It is not the job of these professionals to point out the latter. They work in sales. Ever heard of a sales rep who tells you to delay purchase and pay off your credit card bill first?

  • Bob

    I have only skimmed through the posts. But there is nothing wrong with site agents getting first dips. Think sales girls at Nordstrom. There is also nothing wrong with calling these condos an investment. Investments go up and down in value. People have made loads of money flipping homes. They can lose their butts too. It is not the job of these professionals to point out the latter. They work in sales. Ever heard of a sales rep who tells you to delay purchase and pay off your credit card bill first?

  • http://cosmoseattle.blogspot.com/ Cosmo Seattle

    I dont quite agree with the Nordstrom analogy. It bothers me that real estate agents, and particularly site agents, have first choice of the presale units. For one thing, a $500k condo is a bit more of a commitment than an $80 set of trousers. More to the point though, not all condos are the same. One pair of trousers of a particular brand and size is the same as the next. However, each condo unit is unique in terms of view and floor level, as well as layout in some cases. I think this situation is more analogous to insider trading than to being first in line to buy a pair of on-sale trousers.

    And by the way, Im not pointing this critique at any particular agent nor at agents in general for that matter. Rather, this is a critique of the system as a whole. It is precisely forums such as this blog that enable these practices to be revealed and discussed. I agree with earlier comments that this is a consumer-oriented conversation, and there is tremendous value in having a forum to share consumer experiences. However, I also applaud agents and more recently, Troy Howard, The Parc Community Sales Manager, who enter a hostile environment to participate in the conversation.

    A positive outcome from sharing consumer inside information of the sort in this blog, would be change to a more equitable system where consumers, investors and residents alike, have equal access to choose among the available units.

  • http://cosmoseattle.blogspot.com/ Cosmo Seattle

    I dont quite agree with the Nordstrom analogy. It bothers me that real estate agents, and particularly site agents, have first choice of the presale units. For one thing, a $500k condo is a bit more of a commitment than an $80 set of trousers. More to the point though, not all condos are the same. One pair of trousers of a particular brand and size is the same as the next. However, each condo unit is unique in terms of view and floor level, as well as layout in some cases. I think this situation is more analogous to insider trading than to being first in line to buy a pair of on-sale trousers.

    And by the way, Im not pointing this critique at any particular agent nor at agents in general for that matter. Rather, this is a critique of the system as a whole. It is precisely forums such as this blog that enable these practices to be revealed and discussed. I agree with earlier comments that this is a consumer-oriented conversation, and there is tremendous value in having a forum to share consumer experiences. However, I also applaud agents and more recently, Troy Howard, The Parc Community Sales Manager, who enter a hostile environment to participate in the conversation.

    A positive outcome from sharing consumer inside information of the sort in this blog, would be change to a more equitable system where consumers, investors and residents alike, have equal access to choose among the available units.

  • http://cosmoseattle.blogspot.com/ Cosmo Seattle

    I don’t quite agree with the Nordstrom analogy. It bothers me that real estate agents, and particularly site agents, have first choice of the presale units. For one thing, a $500k condo is a bit more of a commitment than an $80 set of trousers. More to the point though, not all condos are the same. One pair of trousers of a particular brand and size is the same as the next. However, each condo unit is unique in terms of view and floor level, as well as layout in some cases. I think this situation is more analogous to insider trading than to being first in line to buy a pair of on-sale trousers.

    And by the way, I’m not pointing this critique at any particular agent nor at agents in general for that matter. Rather, this is a critique of the system as a whole. It is precisely forums such as this blog that enable these practices to be revealed and discussed. I agree with earlier comments that this is a consumer-oriented conversation, and there is tremendous value in having a forum to share consumer experiences. However, I also applaud agents and more recently, Troy Howard, The Parc Community Sales Manager, who enter a hostile environment to participate in the conversation.

    A positive outcome from sharing consumer inside information of the sort in this blog, would be change to a more equitable system where consumers, investors and residents alike, have equal access to choose among the available units.

  • Doug

    Intracorp has proven to be horrible for many. I have friends who purchased condo’s in Pasadena CA from Intracorp (Delacey At Green). The great thing is the location of the building, but from that point everything plunges to the cores of hell itself. This building was so late, if it were an expecting mother they would have given it a “C” section and the child would be graduating college by now. Try almost 2 years behind schedule due to construction delays. Intracorp continually put people off w/ closing and then when Intracorp was ready to close the building they attempted to strong arm buyers and force them to close w/ pending items to be completed in the units. They threatened my friends horribly and didn’t want to back down. The sales people were great but became an absolute pain in the side (probably forced by the developer to bug buyers). I wanted to purchase a unit in Glendale CA (The 416) and was told it’d be ready in Summer of 2007. Fortunately I didn’t purchase there because I’d probably be homeless. The building is far from complete and the cost per sq. ft. in the building is ridiculous. They were also trying to sell the actual building in its entirety and I doubt the people who have been in contract (another friend of mine) even know the caper this company is trying to pull. Intracorp bites!

  • Doug

    Intracorp has proven to be horrible for many. I have friends who purchased condo’s in Pasadena CA from Intracorp (Delacey At Green). The great thing is the location of the building, but from that point everything plunges to the cores of hell itself. This building was so late, if it were an expecting mother they would have given it a “C” section and the child would be graduating college by now. Try almost 2 years behind schedule due to construction delays. Intracorp continually put people off w/ closing and then when Intracorp was ready to close the building they attempted to strong arm buyers and force them to close w/ pending items to be completed in the units. They threatened my friends horribly and didn’t want to back down. The sales people were great but became an absolute pain in the side (probably forced by the developer to bug buyers). I wanted to purchase a unit in Glendale CA (The 416) and was told it’d be ready in Summer of 2007. Fortunately I didn’t purchase there because I’d probably be homeless. The building is far from complete and the cost per sq. ft. in the building is ridiculous. They were also trying to sell the actual building in its entirety and I doubt the people who have been in contract (another friend of mine) even know the caper this company is trying to pull. Intracorp bites!